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Devo CD Reissues
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Gary Childs
2005-02-11 14:56:06 UTC
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Two Devo CDs are being reissued this month:
Duty Now For The Future
&
New Traditionalists

There are no bonus tracks
Which means New Traditionalists will not have "Working In The Coalmine"

http://oldies.com/artist/view.cfm/id_7014.html
Reverend Beastly
2005-02-11 18:41:51 UTC
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Post by Gary Childs
Duty Now For The Future
&
New Traditionalists
There are no bonus tracks
Which means New Traditionalists will not have "Working In The Coalmine"
http://oldies.com/artist/view.cfm/id_7014.html
Oh No and Shout are also advertised in the liner notes of NuTra, so they
should be out soon. In addition to that, Shout showed up on iTunes on
Tuesday.

-Alex
Gary Childs
2005-02-11 19:26:16 UTC
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Post by Reverend Beastly
Post by Gary Childs
Duty Now For The Future
&
New Traditionalists
http://oldies.com/artist/view.cfm/id_7014.html
Oh No and Shout are also advertised in the liner notes of NuTra, so they
should be out soon. In addition to that, Shout showed up on iTunes on
Tuesday.
I don't want to live in a world where "Duty Now For The Future" & "Oh No!
It's Devo" are out of print.
Now if they'd only reissue Captain Beefheart's "Lick My Decals Off, Baby".
NaturalD
2005-02-11 19:53:35 UTC
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Crap. I was sure that next time they reissued Devo, they were going to
do "deluxe editions" with the b-sides plus outtakes, demos, etc.
Post by Gary Childs
Post by Reverend Beastly
Post by Gary Childs
Duty Now For The Future
&
New Traditionalists
http://oldies.com/artist/view.cfm/id_7014.html
Oh No and Shout are also advertised in the liner notes of NuTra, so they
should be out soon. In addition to that, Shout showed up on iTunes on
Tuesday.
I don't want to live in a world where "Duty Now For The Future" & "Oh No!
It's Devo" are out of print.
Now if they'd only reissue Captain Beefheart's "Lick My Decals Off, Baby".
Boom
2005-02-12 20:15:10 UTC
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Post by NaturalD
Crap. I was sure that next time they reissued Devo, they were going to
do "deluxe editions" with the b-sides plus outtakes, demos, etc.
I thought the same thing, then I noticed the label they're
on...Collectables Records. You almost never get bonus stuff in a
Collectables release. But since they're only $11, you can't complain
about that. I'll buy them, even though I just spend a small fortune
buying the Infinite Zero reissues off Ebay.
Post by NaturalD
Post by Gary Childs
Post by Reverend Beastly
Post by Gary Childs
Duty Now For The Future
&
New Traditionalists
http://oldies.com/artist/view.cfm/id_7014.html
Oh No and Shout are also advertised in the liner notes of NuTra, so
they
Post by Gary Childs
Post by Reverend Beastly
should be out soon. In addition to that, Shout showed up on iTunes
on
Post by Gary Childs
Post by Reverend Beastly
Tuesday.
I don't want to live in a world where "Duty Now For The Future" & "Oh
No!
Post by Gary Childs
It's Devo" are out of print.
Now if they'd only reissue Captain Beefheart's "Lick My Decals Off,
Baby".
Ferenc Szabo
2005-03-01 05:07:06 UTC
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Damn, I'm sure glad I picked up all those Virgin re-issues
10 years ago. 2 albums on one CD, with b-sides.

3 CDs (all the stuff released on Warner's in North America)

Are We Not Men + Live EP + SooBawlz + Penetration + Social Fools

Duty Now + New Traditionalists + Coalmine

Oh No + Freedom Of Choice + Turn Around + PeekABoo extended
--
f-erenc szabo, smarty pants
Post by NaturalD
Crap. I was sure that next time they reissued Devo, they were going to
do "deluxe editions" with the b-sides plus outtakes, demos, etc.
Post by Gary Childs
Post by Reverend Beastly
Post by Gary Childs
Duty Now For The Future
&
New Traditionalists
http://oldies.com/artist/view.cfm/id_7014.html
Oh No and Shout are also advertised in the liner notes of NuTra, so
they
Post by Gary Childs
Post by Reverend Beastly
should be out soon. In addition to that, Shout showed up on iTunes
on
Post by Gary Childs
Post by Reverend Beastly
Tuesday.
I don't want to live in a world where "Duty Now For The Future" & "Oh
No!
Post by Gary Childs
It's Devo" are out of print.
Now if they'd only reissue Captain Beefheart's "Lick My Decals Off,
Baby".
Reverend Beastly
2005-03-01 05:52:52 UTC
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Post by Ferenc Szabo
Damn, I'm sure glad I picked up all those Virgin re-issues
10 years ago. 2 albums on one CD, with b-sides.
3 CDs (all the stuff released on Warner's in North America)
Are We Not Men + Live EP + SooBawlz + Penetration + Social Fools
Duty Now + New Traditionalists + Coalmine
Oh No + Freedom Of Choice + Turn Around + PeekABoo extended
For the bonus tracks of "Social Fools" and "Turn Around", yeah, those
were good. But apart from that, those have to be the absolute worst
presentation of the albums possible.

Speaking generally, the artwork was atrocious and the albums weren't
even properly sequenced (i.e. why not Q/A and DNFTF on the same disc?).

Speaking for the one that I once owned, the DNFTF/NuTra disc was
absolutely horrible. I don't know how anyone could let the
transferred-from-an-audio-cassette audio quality be good enough. The
were massive audio dropouts all through DNFTF (I remember "Wiggly
World", "Blockhead" and "Strange Pursuit" specifically) and NuTra just
all around sounded like crap.

All in all, that was the worst $15 I ever spent and I was glad to give
it away. Plus, Shout was never on one of those reissues.

-Alex
Boom
2005-03-01 08:20:23 UTC
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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:52:52 -0500, Reverend Beastly
Post by Reverend Beastly
Post by Ferenc Szabo
Damn, I'm sure glad I picked up all those Virgin re-issues
10 years ago. 2 albums on one CD, with b-sides.
3 CDs (all the stuff released on Warner's in North America)
Are We Not Men + Live EP + SooBawlz + Penetration + Social Fools
Duty Now + New Traditionalists + Coalmine
Oh No + Freedom Of Choice + Turn Around + PeekABoo extended
For the bonus tracks of "Social Fools" and "Turn Around", yeah, those
were good. But apart from that, those have to be the absolute worst
presentation of the albums possible.
Speaking generally, the artwork was atrocious and the albums weren't
even properly sequenced (i.e. why not Q/A and DNFTF on the same disc?).
I totally agree. Virgin dropped the ball bigtime.
Post by Reverend Beastly
Speaking for the one that I once owned, the DNFTF/NuTra disc was
absolutely horrible. I don't know how anyone could let the
transferred-from-an-audio-cassette audio quality be good enough. The
were massive audio dropouts all through DNFTF (I remember "Wiggly
World", "Blockhead" and "Strange Pursuit" specifically) and NuTra just
all around sounded like crap.
I have that one too and I don't recall hearing dropouts...I will have
to listen again, though. Been a while. But you can't totally blame
the sound of NuTra on Virgin. The Infinite Zero remaster was pretty
bassy and non-trebly too, although it was somewhat better. That album
needs an entire remixing, not just remastering.

BTW, I did a side by side comparison of Virgin vs. Warners vs. IZ a
while back. Don't know if you saw it. But the Virgin CD's sound just
like the versions on Warners' Greatest Hits/Misses.
Post by Reverend Beastly
All in all, that was the worst $15 I ever spent and I was glad to give
it away. Plus, Shout was never on one of those reissues.
I ended up buying the IZ reissues on Ebay except Shout (I refuse to
pay $40 for my least favorite Devo album). But I've got the
Collectables versions on order. I'll do a comparison of them vs IZ
and Virgin as well.
andrewunix
2005-03-01 13:53:41 UTC
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Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:20:23 GMT, ***@nnn.com suggested:
:
: I have that one too and I don't recall hearing dropouts...I will have
: to listen again, though. Been a while. But you can't totally blame
: the sound of NuTra on Virgin. The Infinite Zero remaster was pretty
: bassy and non-trebly too, although it was somewhat better. That album
: needs an entire remixing, not just remastering.

My understanding is that the original tapes for NuTra were disintegrating
while the band was mixing it the first time, so I'd be surprised if it were
possible to do a remixing now.
--
agreenbu @ nyx . net andrew michael greenburg
Gary Childs
2005-03-01 20:03:22 UTC
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Post by andrewunix
My understanding is that the original tapes for NuTra were disintegrating
while the band was mixing it the first time, so I'd be surprised if it were
possible to do a remixing now.
That's right. Even if they could get the multi-track master, it would be a
break-out-the-Q-Tips-and-cleaning-solution situation. There would be so much
oxide loss that a new mix would sound terrible.
Michael McDougall
2005-03-02 04:02:22 UTC
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Post by Boom
On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:52:52 -0500, Reverend Beastly
Post by Reverend Beastly
For the bonus tracks of "Social Fools" and "Turn Around", yeah, those
were good. But apart from that, those have to be the absolute worst
presentation of the albums possible.
Speaking generally, the artwork was atrocious and the albums weren't
even properly sequenced (i.e. why not Q/A and DNFTF on the same disc?).
It's probably just because I listened to them that way so much, but for
me the grouping kind of makes sense. I like listening to those reissues
on shuffle.

Q/A + Live -> sort of loose, punkier than most Devo (well, the
mainstream stuff at least)

DNFTF + New Trad. -> Futuristic sound (harsh for DNFTF, spongy for New
Trad.)

Oh No + FoC -> Sort of a more popular music sound
Post by Boom
Post by Reverend Beastly
Speaking for the one that I once owned, the DNFTF/NuTra disc was
absolutely horrible. I don't know how anyone could let the
transferred-from-an-audio-cassette audio quality be good enough. The
were massive audio dropouts all through DNFTF (I remember "Wiggly
World", "Blockhead" and "Strange Pursuit" specifically) and NuTra just
all around sounded like crap.
I have that one too and I don't recall hearing dropouts...I will have
to listen again, though. Been a while.
I've got those reissues, and they've got dropouts. I never noticed until
it was mentioned here so I put on headphones and listened for it. Most
of the time I don't notice but still it's annoyingly sloppy.


Michael
Reggie From Riverdale
2005-04-23 18:00:14 UTC
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Post by Reverend Beastly
Speaking for the one that I once owned, the DNFTF/NuTra disc was
absolutely horrible. I don't know how anyone could let the
transferred-from-an-audio-cassette audio quality be good enough. The
were massive audio dropouts all through DNFTF (I remember "Wiggly
World", "Blockhead" and "Strange Pursuit" specifically) and NuTra just
all around sounded like crap.
The dropouts are present on the original vinyl, so it's a bad master
from the get-go.

Reg
--
Willow: "Carpe Diem. You told me that once."
Buffy: "Fish of the day?"
Reverend Beastly
2005-04-24 07:17:29 UTC
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I know that my vinyl of NuTra sounded better than that shitpile of a CD
I had once. And even if DNFTF didn't (which I can't imagine), I guess
it doesn't particularly matter anymore with the current reissue out
there.

-Alex
Boom
2005-04-24 20:28:41 UTC
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On 24 Apr 2005 00:17:29 -0700, "Reverend Beastly"
Post by Reverend Beastly
I know that my vinyl of NuTra sounded better than that shitpile of a CD
I had once.
Boy you got that right! But really, the IZ and Collectables CD's
sound better but still don't do it justice. When I listen to that
album on CD, I have to goose the treble all the way up and back off of
the bass and low mid response, otherwise it sounds all muddy.
Post by Reverend Beastly
And even if DNFTF didn't (which I can't imagine), I guess
it doesn't particularly matter anymore with the current reissue out
there.
I still don't hear all the dropouts people say are on that album.
Gary Childs
2005-04-25 03:10:22 UTC
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Post by Boom
When I listen to that
album on CD, I have to goose the treble all the way up and back off of
the bass and low mid response, otherwise it sounds all muddy.
That's how the original vinyl sounded too. The New Traditionalists' master
tape had major problems with oxide stripping off the mylar when they were
recording the tracks. Warner Brothers didn't want to pay to completely
re-record the whole album, so they made due with a lot of the high end
missing from that album. It's a very bass-heavy, muddy mix. When I first
heard that album, I thought they were going for a heavy bottom end, dance
mix sound, but it can be chalked up to bad magnetic tape. I later had the
same problem with some bad 3M tape that I bought. You have to bake the shit
in an oven to make it stick back on the mylar!
Boom
2005-04-25 04:38:27 UTC
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 23:10:22 -0400, "Gary Childs"
Post by Gary Childs
Post by Boom
When I listen to that
album on CD, I have to goose the treble all the way up and back off of
the bass and low mid response, otherwise it sounds all muddy.
That's how the original vinyl sounded too.
Been so long since I've had a working turntable that I couldn't listen
to the vinyl to compare it.
Post by Gary Childs
The New Traditionalists' master
tape had major problems with oxide stripping off the mylar when they were
recording the tracks. Warner Brothers didn't want to pay to completely
re-record the whole album, so they made due with a lot of the high end
missing from that album. It's a very bass-heavy, muddy mix. When I first
heard that album, I thought they were going for a heavy bottom end, dance
mix sound, but it can be chalked up to bad magnetic tape. I later had the
same problem with some bad 3M tape that I bought. You have to bake the shit
in an oven to make it stick back on the mylar!
Gawd, I'd hate to hear old masters of stuff I did on tape now! That's
one nice thing about digital...and about the ONLY thing nice about it!
Gary Childs
2005-04-25 05:47:50 UTC
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Post by Boom
Gawd, I'd hate to hear old masters of stuff I did on tape now!
Yeah, every time I try a new dub down, I can see the stuff shearing off all
over the playback head. I have to whip out the Q-tips and solution and clear
it off every few seconds. Go listen to "Midget" from the Hardcore Devo CD,
and at the end you can hear dropout where the oxide is gone towards the end
of the song.
Post by Boom
That's
one nice thing about digital...and about the ONLY thing nice about it!
Yeah, but reel-to-reel was such an incredible pain. All the de-magnetizing,
and cleaning, and it took forever to forward and rewind tape, which could
break, or tangle at any moment. I won't miss it.

Here's a good article from Wendy Carlos' site on baking tapes:
http://www.wendycarlos.com/bake%20a%20tape/baketape.html

I always thought some of Mark Motherbaugh's early stuff had that Carlos
sound.
Reggie From Riverdale
2005-05-03 02:36:45 UTC
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Post by Boom
Been so long since I've had a working turntable that I couldn't listen
to the vinyl to compare it.
I haven't listened to them in years, but the songs have been implanted
completely in my brain from the all the years of listening to them. :)

Reg
--
Willow: "Carpe Diem. You told me that once."
Buffy: "Fish of the day?"
Rev. Richard Skull
2005-03-01 16:02:51 UTC
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Damn, I'm sure glad I picked up all those Virgin re-issues
10 years ago. 2 albums on one CD, with b-sides


Ironic, 25+ years ago, Virgin had DEVO signed, but WB screwed them both
out of the deal.

Now Virgin is set to make more money off DEVO then WB ever did.

"Bob" works in mysterious ways!
NaturalD
2005-03-01 16:14:24 UTC
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Post by Ferenc Szabo
Damn, I'm sure glad I picked up all those Virgin re-issues
10 years ago. 2 albums on one CD, with b-sides
Ironic, 25+ years ago, Virgin had DEVO signed, but WB screwed them both
out of the deal.
Now Virgin is set to make more money off DEVO then WB ever did.
???? Is DEVO about to become more successful than during the "Whip It"
days?
Rev. Richard Skull
2005-03-02 23:20:15 UTC
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???? Is DEVO about to become more successful than during the "Whip It"
days?

DEVO IS more sucessful then in the "whip It" days.

MM makes more money in a wekk form Mutato Music then they entire group
made from the Freedom of Choice LP.

Thnaks to WB records "creative accounting"
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