Devo 2.0---the love affair ends

[Boom]

Very talented kids in Devo 2.0. Even though Devo did their
recordings, they all can obviously play instruments and sing. But I
just sat through a selection of videos on Disney.com and the gimmick
wore very thin after 3. The little girl lead singer is cute and
fronts well, but her voice is really odd and annoying. But what
really lost me about Devo 2.0 is when I heard "Uncontrollable Urge."
They've changed it from a song about sex to a song about snack food!
Snack food??? Come on! Listen, I know Disney's not going to let them
sing songs about sex, but just drop the song and do something else.
Don't ruin it with lame new lyrics.

Much as I like the idea of a new Devo for today's kids, I think the
execution could have been done a lot better.

[Stiiv]

Post by Boom
Don't ruin it with lame new lyrics.

There's lots of 'em, too. Very hard to listen.

Thing is, the whole idea of DEVO presupposes that the listener has
been through the betrayal of finding out the true nature of life & the
world, as they've grown up. What do young kids have to rebel against?
Homework? Taking out the garbage? I think DEVO 2.0 is conceptually
flawed.......bad idea.


Stiiv
http://www.stiiv.com

[N***@gmail.com]

Yes. I don't know what they were thinking. At my most cynical, I
suspect Gerry thinks he can inspire a bunch of kids to think freely and
question authority by giving them watered down versions of subersive
classics.

[N***@gmail.com]

Post by N***@gmail.com
Yes. I don't know what they were thinking. At my most cynical, I
suspect Gerry thinks he can inspire a bunch of kids to think freely and
question authority by giving them watered down versions of subersive
classics.

Whaddya know? Turns out I was right... :-(

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001919314

[Fr@nk P@nucc|]

Post by Stiiv
What do young kids have to rebel against?

The coming collapse of the mall-rat way of life due a confluence of
worldwide economic events?

I think DEVO 2.0 is conceptually

Post by Stiiv
flawed.......bad idea.

I thought it was a purely cynical exploitation of the franchise, and
took it as such. Going in, DEVO had to know EXACTLY what they were
doing. There's no evil corporation to blame this on - just DEVO itself.
The cool thing about DEVTOO is that it doesn't harm DEVO. it
validates DEVO. They are their own instrument of prophecy.

Maybe someday soon there will a FRANK ZAPP.B and RAMONES RELOADED,
performed by demon children, with sanitized lyrics. MISSINGER PERSONS.
THE LI'L PLASMATICS. H²0ALL AND 2.OATES. L6. LOVERBABIES.
PSYCHADELIC FUN FURS. FLOCK OF SEAHORSIES.

Your turn. Or not.


____________________
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http://reperkussionz.blogspot.com/

[Boom]

Post by ***@nk ***@nucc|

Post by Stiiv
What do young kids have to rebel against?

The coming collapse of the mall-rat way of life due a confluence of
worldwide economic events?

Homework.

Post by ***@nk ***@nucc|
I think DEVO 2.0 is conceptually

Post by Stiiv
flawed.......bad idea.

I thought it was a purely cynical exploitation of the franchise, and
took it as such. Going in, DEVO had to know EXACTLY what they were
doing. There's no evil corporation to blame this on - just DEVO itself.
The cool thing about DEVTOO is that it doesn't harm DEVO. it
validates DEVO. They are their own instrument of prophecy.

I don't know if I agree with that. While Devo has always been
cynical, they've never been a "for the money" band. They've always
wanted to chase the dollars, but they did a lot of stuff that cost
them a fortune in their heyday. On the other hand, I can't see a
project like this making a lot of money either. I think it'll be a
cute little thing that Disney will get behind for a few weeks and
abandon. I just hope they got a good advance.

Post by ***@nk ***@nucc|
Maybe someday soon there will a FRANK ZAPP.B and RAMONES RELOADED,
performed by demon children, with sanitized lyrics. MISSINGER PERSONS.
THE LI'L PLASMATICS. H²0ALL AND 2.OATES. L6. LOVERBABIES.
PSYCHADELIC FUN FURS. FLOCK OF SEAHORSIES.
Your turn. Or not.

I have dibs on the Beatle Babies ;)

[Trial and Error]

Brother Stiiv,
your choice of words is frightening and enlightening.
Through your amazingly biased, blatant generalization of accepted,
standardized, ficticious notions youŽve demonstrated through paradox
rationality that we really are all DEVO.
Thankyou.

Post by Stiiv
What do young kids have to rebel against?
Homework? Taking out the garbage?
Stiiv
http://www.stiiv.com

[Gary Childs]

Devo 2.0?

I'm not surprised that Devo would do something like this.
I'm just surprised that Disney would go through with this project.

"DEV2.0 is a strange, Corporate-Feudal experiment that attempts to bring the
original DEVO music sensibility to children in the 5 to 8 year old
demographic range." - Club Devo

It's Devo pablum for tiny tots.
If you have pubes you probably won't like it.

http://disney.go.com/disneyrecords/Song-Albums/devo20/

[Pink Pussycat]

Gary Childs wrote:

(snip)

Post by Gary Childs
It's Devo pablum for tiny tots.
If you have pubes you probably won't like it.

Well said!!

Maybe we can think of these kids as the spawn of Booji Boy and Donut
Rooter. ;-)

~Pink

[dave]

Post by Pink Pussycat
Maybe we can think of these kids as the spawn of Booji Boy and Donut
Rooter. ;-)
~Pink

That's a visual I could have done without.

[Boom]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:03:57 +0100, "Trial and Error"

Post by Trial and Error
Brother Stiiv,
your choice of words is frightening and enlightening.
Through your amazingly biased, blatant generalization of accepted,
standardized, ficticious notions you´ve demonstrated through paradox
rationality that we really are all DEVO.
Thankyou.

I would agree if I knew what you said. I think there was a compliment
in there, though, so I agree.

Post by Trial and Error

Post by Stiiv
What do young kids have to rebel against?
Homework? Taking out the garbage?
Stiiv
http://www.stiiv.com

[Fr@nk P@nucc|]

Post by Trial and Error
amazingly biased, blatant generalization of accepted,
standardized, ficticious notions you´ve demonstrated through paradox
rationality

What the fuh huck?



____________________
www.frankpanucci.com
http://reperkussionz.blogspot.com/

[Trial and Error]

From the Subgenius instructional video barrage tape.
Reporter: "Who is Bob?"
Student:
"Ahhh.....haha....hehe...ha...he...ummm...errr...haha...ummmm....hihihihi...errr....hahahaha...errrr........what?"

Anyway what I was trying to say before those mushrooms took effect was that
Stiiv has demonstrated that weŽre all DEVO by stating a socially accepted
norm using steroetype ideas that some adults think that homework and taking
out the garbage are actually childrenŽs problems whereas they are actually
problems that adults have with children. By doing this he is actually
validating the existence of DEVO 2.0 although he is trying to denounce them.
Therefore its all the same and I was thanking him for sharing it with us.

Post by ***@nk ***@nucc|
What the fuh huck?
____________________
www.frankpanucci.com
http://reperkussionz.blogspot.com/

[Stiiv]

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:03:57 +0100, "Trial and Error"

Post by Trial and Error
your choice of words is frightening and enlightening.

Expect nothing less. ;>

Stiiv
http://www.stiiv.com

[san andreas fault]

Stiiv <***@hotmailremove.com> wrote:

Kids 4-8 are a great audience to address timeless music to.

"Disney mandate" or not, nobody believes that Devo's lyrical and
conceptual entirety, born in the wake of the Kent State murders, is "for"
young kids.

Not that young kids shouldn't listen to original Devo, but I think it's
pretty clear that they will get more out of 2.0.

I think it's a testament to the ideas and art of Devo that they can
surgically remove the anger, high-concept symbology and irony and still be
left with pro-critical thinking, pro-discernment and anti-conformity
content.

I have no children and so I don't know anything about what kids 4-8 are
hearing on CD, but I bet that in general, the above themes are ABSENT in
popular kids records.

I like this weird project.

-r

[j t]

All the kids who listen to Devo 2.0 are going to grow up, and go out
and buy the original Devo albums.

It is a brilliant move by Devo to ensure sales of their 30 year old
records in the coming years.

Post by san andreas fault
Kids 4-8 are a great audience to address timeless music to.
"Disney mandate" or not, nobody believes that Devo's lyrical and
conceptual entirety, born in the wake of the Kent State murders, is "for"
young kids.
Not that young kids shouldn't listen to original Devo, but I think it's
pretty clear that they will get more out of 2.0.
I think it's a testament to the ideas and art of Devo that they can
surgically remove the anger, high-concept symbology and irony and still be
left with pro-critical thinking, pro-discernment and anti-conformity
content.
I have no children and so I don't know anything about what kids 4-8 are
hearing on CD, but I bet that in general, the above themes are ABSENT in
popular kids records.
I like this weird project.
-r

[Boom]

Post by j t
All the kids who listen to Devo 2.0 are going to grow up, and go out
and buy the original Devo albums.
It is a brilliant move by Devo to ensure sales of their 30 year old
records in the coming years.

I can see your point, but I don't know...I don't see a big Devo kids
resurgence. I think it might have worked better if they had done new
arrangements for the songs that were a little less 80's. But if 80's
nostalgia hits the kids like the 50's did for the kids in the 70's,
Devo could possibly catch on with it going that angle. I don't
know...I see it as a good idea that lacked a little effort in the
execution.

Post by j t

Post by san andreas fault
Kids 4-8 are a great audience to address timeless music to.
"Disney mandate" or not, nobody believes that Devo's lyrical and
conceptual entirety, born in the wake of the Kent State murders, is "for"
young kids.
Not that young kids shouldn't listen to original Devo, but I think it's
pretty clear that they will get more out of 2.0.
I think it's a testament to the ideas and art of Devo that they can
surgically remove the anger, high-concept symbology and irony and still be
left with pro-critical thinking, pro-discernment and anti-conformity
content.
I have no children and so I don't know anything about what kids 4-8 are
hearing on CD, but I bet that in general, the above themes are ABSENT in
popular kids records.
I like this weird project.
-r

[N***@gmail.com]

I'd rate it a poor idea no matter the execution. Marketing to kids:
lame (whatever the justification or whatever level of "irony" the
seller is claiming). Retooling old music to appeal to parents: lame. If
I were a parent I'd sooner buy my kids The Wiggles (which I know about
because of my niece and nephew) over this.

[monsterzro]

I have a 6 year old, just tune in to Radio Disney and prepare to gouge
out your eardrum.

It's pretty much the same 10 song block all day long, lots of covers by
kid bands (not Kid Bops though), lots of Hilary Duff, Avril, Kelly
Clarkson, that shit. For some reason, they play YMCA a lot.

Post by san andreas fault
Kids 4-8 are a great audience to address timeless music to.
"Disney mandate" or not, nobody believes that Devo's lyrical and
conceptual entirety, born in the wake of the Kent State murders, is "for"
young kids.
Not that young kids shouldn't listen to original Devo, but I think it's
pretty clear that they will get more out of 2.0.
I think it's a testament to the ideas and art of Devo that they can
surgically remove the anger, high-concept symbology and irony and still be
left with pro-critical thinking, pro-discernment and anti-conformity
content.
I have no children and so I don't know anything about what kids 4-8 are
hearing on CD, but I bet that in general, the above themes are ABSENT in
popular kids records.
I like this weird project.
-r

[Gary Childs]

I have a 6 year old, just tune in to Radio Disney and prepare to gouge out
your eardrum.
It's pretty much the same 10 song block all day long, lots of covers by
kid bands (not Kid Bops though), lots of Hilary Duff, Avril, Kelly
Clarkson, that shit. For some reason, they play YMCA a lot.

If I had kids I'd rather have them listen to Dev2.0 than to Radio Disney or
The Wiggles.

[N***@gmail.com]

Not trying to be argumentative, but I'm really curious why you think
Dev2.0 is any better than those.

[Boom]

Post by N***@gmail.com
Not trying to be argumentative, but I'm really curious why you think
Dev2.0 is any better than those.

I personally would have liked to have seen a little more ambition with
the project instead of just recording kids singing the same
arrangements. They should have updated the arrangements to reflect
the current musical scene, and then they'd have a lot better chance to
attract kids.

[Gary Childs]

Post by N***@gmail.com
Not trying to be argumentative, but I'm really curious why you think
Dev2.0 is any better than those.

It's Devo's music, which I prefer to Hilary Duff, Avril, Kelly Clarkson, The
Wiggles, etc.

[N***@gmail.com]

Fair enough. I certainly agree on prefering Devo to all of the above.
Though none of the key ingredients for me (Mark's analog synths, Bob
1's guitar, the "edgy" recorded sound, the wit) are apparent from what
I saw of the Dev2.0 site (mostly just the videos)

[Todd Spango]

I didn't have a problem with it -- my main comment is that it was
interesting hearing a teenaged girl sing in the same key as Mark. I
think she's a good vocalist, not as expressive & subtle as Mark, but
game & edgy. The guitar player looks a bit like Bob1, too. Anybody
know if those kiddos are actually playing their instruments?

[Gary Childs]

Anybody know if those kiddos are actually playing their instruments?

From the Billboard article:

The kids have progressed significantly during rehearsals and can now play
the material with little assistance.

"Everything is live except some sequencer lines, which are really difficult
for a human to play," Casale says. "The guitar parts are live. The drumming
is live. The vocals are live and the keyboard leads are live."

[Boom]

On 31 Jan 2006 19:02:38 -0800, "Todd Spango"

Post by Todd Spango
I didn't have a problem with it -- my main comment is that it was
interesting hearing a teenaged girl sing in the same key as Mark. I
think she's a good vocalist, not as expressive & subtle as Mark, but
game & edgy. The guitar player looks a bit like Bob1, too. Anybody
know if those kiddos are actually playing their instruments?

In the videos, the kids sure seem to match up exactly with the music
being played. Devo cut the tracks for the album, but the kids CAN
play.

BTW, is that drummer Josh's son? It sure seems like they're hinting
at it.

[Pink Pussycat]

Post by Boom
BTW, is that drummer Josh's son? It sure seems like they're hinting
at it.

I don't know. IIRC, Josh has at least one kid, but I don't know the
gender or age.

It might be coincidence that Kane's Dad is a touring drummer.


~Pink