dear alt.fan.danni-ashe readers

[t***@gmail.com]

It's getting a bit tiresome seeing one misguided American after another with
their cutsie little yellow or red-white-blue ribbons on their outsized SUVs.
Yeah, I guess it's the thing to do; maybe part of that whole soccer-mom
culture. Unfortunately, the only thing they demonstrate is that the person
behind the wheel is a clueless, gullible, misguided, nitwit.

If foreign invaders landed on our soil, as we have done in Iraq, I would be
the first one to take up arms and repel them. (I suppose that would make me
an 'insurgent' by OUR logic.) This, and other aggressive governments have
always done their utmost to make it APPEAR as if committing yourself to kill
in feuds on distant shores that have nothing to do with the welfare of the
citizenry is somehow patriotic.

It is not.

Enlisting in the armed forces, in the absence of a real and impending
foreign threat, is no different that hiring yourself as a paid assassin . .
the only difference is, you're not getting paid enough. But let's take a
realistic look at exactly WHO joins up in an all-volunteer army.

The first group are those who join (during peacetime) for the benefits: to
get an education, or because it seems a reasonable career path. Consider
carefully! Realize that you are gambling with your humanity. Once you sign
that form, you sign away your right to say: "No, that is an atrocity." You
put your abilities, including the ability to kill, at the disposal of proven
liars, psychopaths . . . enemies of humanity. Do you think that every German
soldier in World War II who helped load Jews into cattle cars was a
cold-blooded killer? Most were poor kids, just like you, who got caught up
in the patriotic frenzy. Once you're in, you're IN. You lose the ability to
stop killing until they tell you so. This not only makes you less than
human, it makes you less than an animal, for even the animals retain their
freedom of self determination.

The second group are the simple minded, who fall for patriotic entreaties
about defending democracy, Mom, apple pie; in other words, all the
traditional government propaganda. Do you think Soviet lads subjugated their
neighbors throughout the world because they thought the Soviet Union was an
EVIL empire? No, they were fighting for MOM, and whatever passes for apple
pie in Russia. Step back and examine the lies your government is handing
you, and ask yourself if they have the ring of truth. Do you want to be one
of the murderers in uniform who opened up on their fellow citizens at Kent
State? When you put on that uniform, you give up all autonomy, and become
nothing more than a weapon, to be used for whatever evil purposes the
scoundrels in government demand (and, if you look carefully, you will
discover that the only interests THEY serve are those of the big businesses
that own them.)

Finally, you have the hard-core psychopaths. These are the people who WANT
to kill. Murder, torture, rape; THESE are the American values upon which
THIS group is focused. The cause doesn't matter, they're after the thrill
that only warfare can provide.

Just remember: killing for George W. Bush, or for George H.W. Bush, or for
Lyndon B. Johnson, or for Richard M. Nixon is not the same as defending
yourself, your family, your friends, or your country. Don't be a dupe. Don't
Enlist!

Remember -- supporting the troops means supporting Bush aggression,
profiteering, and war crimes. Here's an idea: why not take those ribbons,
dip them in blood, and mail them to the White House?

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Tom St.Denis

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[Boom]

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It's getting a bit tiresome seeing one misguided American after another with
their cutsie little yellow or red-white-blue ribbons on their outsized SUVs.
Yeah, I guess it's the thing to do; maybe part of that whole soccer-mom
culture. Unfortunately, the only thing they demonstrate is that the person
behind the wheel is a clueless, gullible, misguided, nitwit.
If foreign invaders landed on our soil, as we have done in Iraq, I would be
the first one to take up arms and repel them. (I suppose that would make me
an 'insurgent' by OUR logic.) This, and other aggressive governments have
always done their utmost to make it APPEAR as if committing yourself to kill
in feuds on distant shores that have nothing to do with the welfare of the
citizenry is somehow patriotic.
It is not.
Enlisting in the armed forces, in the absence of a real and impending
foreign threat, is no different that hiring yourself as a paid assassin . .
the only difference is, you're not getting paid enough. But let's take a
realistic look at exactly WHO joins up in an all-volunteer army.
The first group are those who join (during peacetime) for the benefits: to
get an education, or because it seems a reasonable career path. Consider
carefully! Realize that you are gambling with your humanity. Once you sign
that form, you sign away your right to say: "No, that is an atrocity." You
put your abilities, including the ability to kill, at the disposal of proven
liars, psychopaths . . . enemies of humanity. Do you think that every German
soldier in World War II who helped load Jews into cattle cars was a
cold-blooded killer? Most were poor kids, just like you, who got caught up
in the patriotic frenzy. Once you're in, you're IN. You lose the ability to
stop killing until they tell you so. This not only makes you less than
human, it makes you less than an animal, for even the animals retain their
freedom of self determination.
The second group are the simple minded, who fall for patriotic entreaties
about defending democracy, Mom, apple pie; in other words, all the
traditional government propaganda. Do you think Soviet lads subjugated their
neighbors throughout the world because they thought the Soviet Union was an
EVIL empire? No, they were fighting for MOM, and whatever passes for apple
pie in Russia. Step back and examine the lies your government is handing
you, and ask yourself if they have the ring of truth. Do you want to be one
of the murderers in uniform who opened up on their fellow citizens at Kent
State? When you put on that uniform, you give up all autonomy, and become
nothing more than a weapon, to be used for whatever evil purposes the
scoundrels in government demand (and, if you look carefully, you will
discover that the only interests THEY serve are those of the big businesses
that own them.)
Finally, you have the hard-core psychopaths. These are the people who WANT
to kill. Murder, torture, rape; THESE are the American values upon which
THIS group is focused. The cause doesn't matter, they're after the thrill
that only warfare can provide.
Just remember: killing for George W. Bush, or for George H.W. Bush, or for
Lyndon B. Johnson, or for Richard M. Nixon is not the same as defending
yourself, your family, your friends, or your country. Don't be a dupe. Don't
Enlist!
Remember -- supporting the troops means supporting Bush aggression,
profiteering, and war crimes. Here's an idea: why not take those ribbons,
dip them in blood, and mail them to the White House?

ZZZZZZZ...ZZZZZZZ...ZZZZ...er...did someone say something stupid?

Yes, dip ribbons in blood, send them to the White House, then get a
lawyer because you will need one when the Secret Service comes to your
house and arrests you for sending threatening mail to the President.
Dumbass.

Hey douchebag, what makes you think you have a corner on the truth? I
don't like our guys getting shot any more than you do, but I'd go to
Iraq and serve my country and take a few iraqi terrorists out myself
if I wasn't too old to serve. I guess it's OK for Saddam to send cash
awards to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers as incentive for
them to blow bombs off and kill women and children riding buses and
eating pizza. I guess it's OK for Saddam to gas his own people using
the weapons of mass destruction that pussies like you claim he never
had. I guess it's OK for him to tell UN inspectors to fuck off until
he's had a chance to move all his WMD operations out of the country.
Saddam has ties to terrorism all over the world, and if not Al-qaeda
directly, with the PLO and Syria. Oh, and many of your pussy liberal
politicians were in complete agreement with Bush sending troops over
there and were quite happy to send troops over there to get shot at
and die until it was election time.

Ever think that maybe a lot of the people there think that Bush was
right to send them and they're glad to be serving their country, even
if they're not happy about getting shot at? Oh, I forgot...they
can't, because you said they can't. And I hope you rot in hell for
comparing our fighting men and women to Nazis. Go fuck yourself.
Fucking college student idiot. You make me puke.

I'm getting goddamn good and sick of hearing how evil we are by our
own fucking citizenry. There's not a more charitable country on earth
than the US, and it makes me sick that US citizens compare us to Nazis
and communists. You know what? You don't like it, the US
Constitution guarantees you the right to form a militia and take arms
against this "injustice." Just don't be surprised when you get shot
by a real American who's as disgusted by your bullshit as I am, you
fucking whining pussy!

I guess I'll be forever ostracized from alt.fan.devo for this rant,
but it's time you liberal de-evolutionists heard a little bit from a
Devo fan who's not scared to disagree with Jerry Casale.

[ƒ®∂nk p∂ⁿuCĉI]

Post by Boom
I guess I'll be forever ostracized from alt.fan.devo for this rant,
but it's time you liberal de-evolutionists heard a little bit from a
Devo fan who's not scared to disagree with Jerry Casale.

Man, you just spent who-knows-how-many minutes ranting at a cross-post
made to groups as diverse as alt.fan.danni.ashe and alt.tv.nickelodeon.
Do a Google and you'll see that this blandly-written, artlessly
overstated, boneheaded troll of a message was sent to hundreds of
newsgroups. It appeared in soc.sexuality.spanking, alt.tv.miami-vice,
alt.fan.cropcircles and many other important gathering places for
political discussion. It's hardly a post from "a Devo fan who's not
scared to disagree with Jerry Casale".

Of course you won't be "ostracized from alt.fan.devo". Not only is it a
practical impossibility, but your posts are occasionally fine examples
of what we gather here to celebrate.


Still waiting for my Live 1980 DVD. $9.88 and free shipping from
Deepdiscount.com means it takes over a week to get here...


____________________
www.frankpanucci.com
http://reperkussionz.blogspot.com/

[Boom]

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:37:38 GMT, Ĩ?nk p??uC?I

Post by ƒ®∂nk p∂ⁿuCĉI

Post by Boom
I guess I'll be forever ostracized from alt.fan.devo for this rant,
but it's time you liberal de-evolutionists heard a little bit from a
Devo fan who's not scared to disagree with Jerry Casale.

Man, you just spent who-knows-how-many minutes ranting at a cross-post
made to groups as diverse as alt.fan.danni.ashe and alt.tv.nickelodeon.
Do a Google and you'll see that this blandly-written, artlessly
overstated, boneheaded troll of a message was sent to hundreds of
newsgroups. It appeared in soc.sexuality.spanking, alt.tv.miami-vice,
alt.fan.cropcircles and many other important gathering places for
political discussion. It's hardly a post from "a Devo fan who's not
scared to disagree with Jerry Casale".

Oh, geez. It was 15 minutes. Time well-spent, huh? I thought it was
a Devo fan who just CP'd into a couple other NG's for fun. Shrivel
up, Boom!

Post by ƒ®∂nk p∂ⁿuCĉI
Of course you won't be "ostracized from alt.fan.devo". Not only is it a
practical impossibility, but your posts are occasionally fine examples
of what we gather here to celebrate.

Thanks Frank!

Post by ƒ®∂nk p∂ⁿuCĉI
Still waiting for my Live 1980 DVD. $9.88 and free shipping from
Deepdiscount.com means it takes over a week to get here...

Bummer...oh well, wholly worth the wait!

[Todd Spango]

I have long since figured out that this group is loosely half lefty and
half righty (not counting those classy and intelligent enough to never
get into the political sheet). Some of my favorite folks here are the
ones who are more politicized on the right. The fact that we disagree
doesn't mean that I hate you. Far from it. If I get pissed about
something you say, I may answer what you said, but I generally don't
personally attack posters on this group.

This stuff is gonna flare up here from time to time -- it's the nature
of things. But I will never dismiss you as a person for disagreeing
with me. I'm glad you're here, Boom.

[N***@gmail.com]

Post by Todd Spango
I'm glad you're here, Boom.

I'd prefer he were in Iraq, backing up his principles. ("too old" --
good one)

[Rev. Richard Skull]

<<I'd prefer he were in Iraq, backing up his principles. ("too old" --
good one) >>

If Bush had actually meet with Shahan, the only question I wanted her
to ask was "If this is such a noble cause, why aren't your kids
participating in it?"

Which is the ONE JUSTIFIABLE question she had on her list.

[Ronald Cole]

Post by Rev. Richard Skull
<<I'd prefer he were in Iraq, backing up his principles. ("too old" --
good one) >>
If Bush had actually meet with Shahan, the only question I wanted her
to ask was "If this is such a noble cause, why aren't your kids
participating in it?"

Because Congress hasn't instituted the draft and military service is
still voluntary? That seems pretty obvious.

Post by Rev. Richard Skull
Which is the ONE JUSTIFIABLE question she had on her list.

Was that one of the questions that she channeled from her dead son?

[Rush]

Post by Rev. Richard Skull
If Bush had actually meet with Shahan, the only question I wanted her
to ask was "If this is such a noble cause, why aren't your kids
participating in it?"
Which is the ONE JUSTIFIABLE question she had on her list.

Pfffft. Not even that one is legit.

The answer: because they didn't enlist.

Duh.

[Earl Ross]

Boom, you have to look. This gentleman is Canadian. No real military so to
speak. And with his logic, you would wait until after a threat to national
security was made before putting together a military.

Let me clarify something from history. In WWII, Japan signed a surrender
ending the war with them. Part of that treaty called for them to never
again have enough military forces to launch attacks on other countries, only
to defend their borders. They kept to that agreement. If they hadn't, the
US and its allies would have continued to bomb them back to the stone age.

After Desert Storm, which I volunteered to serve, a treaty was signed ending
the war. Part of that treaty stated that there was a very limited airspace
in which the Iraqi military could fly. This was signed by all countries
including Iraq. If they did not keep to that agreement, the US and
coalition nations had every right and responsibility to bomb their asses
back to the stone age (approximately a week back in time in some cases).
Unfortunately, the Clinton administration failed to act severely after
several incidents. They also allowed Iraq to delay the UN inspectors from
inspecting anything. Here's the deal folks, they lost. Even though it is
their country, they have a responsibility to maintain good order and
discipline in their country, and to keep to any agreements made. Pretty
much, the world population as a whole has said, "Iraq is a threat, and we
have a responsibility to all the world's citizens to decrease that threat.

Here is a simple solution. Iraqis that want to deal with the world's
population like adults, feel free to come out and play and make friends and
feel welcome to share your culture and philosophy and art. Those that are
xenophobic and can't grasp that their way isn't the only way, stay inside
your borders, conduct your business and life as you see fit THERE. Do not
cross the borders, travel, nor interfere in anyone else's lives. We can
respect that.

I harbor no ill will towards the Iraqis in general. Most people in any
given country are happy just to live their lives in peace, raise their
families, and not start a bunch of crap with others. Unfortunately, it is
the few that are out there that decide to foist their beliefs on others that
mess it up for everyone. It wasn't right during the Crusades and it is not
right now.

Just food for thought.

bubbaib

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It's getting a bit tiresome seeing one misguided American after another with
their cutsie little yellow or red-white-blue ribbons on their outsized SUVs.
Yeah, I guess it's the thing to do; maybe part of that whole soccer-mom
culture. Unfortunately, the only thing they demonstrate is that the person
behind the wheel is a clueless, gullible, misguided, nitwit.
If foreign invaders landed on our soil, as we have done in Iraq, I would be
the first one to take up arms and repel them. (I suppose that would make me
an 'insurgent' by OUR logic.) This, and other aggressive governments have
always done their utmost to make it APPEAR as if committing yourself to kill
in feuds on distant shores that have nothing to do with the welfare of the
citizenry is somehow patriotic.
It is not.
Enlisting in the armed forces, in the absence of a real and impending
foreign threat, is no different that hiring yourself as a paid assassin . .
the only difference is, you're not getting paid enough. But let's take a
realistic look at exactly WHO joins up in an all-volunteer army.
The first group are those who join (during peacetime) for the benefits: to
get an education, or because it seems a reasonable career path. Consider
carefully! Realize that you are gambling with your humanity. Once you sign
that form, you sign away your right to say: "No, that is an atrocity." You
put your abilities, including the ability to kill, at the disposal of proven
liars, psychopaths . . . enemies of humanity. Do you think that every German
soldier in World War II who helped load Jews into cattle cars was a
cold-blooded killer? Most were poor kids, just like you, who got caught up
in the patriotic frenzy. Once you're in, you're IN. You lose the ability to
stop killing until they tell you so. This not only makes you less than
human, it makes you less than an animal, for even the animals retain their
freedom of self determination.
The second group are the simple minded, who fall for patriotic entreaties
about defending democracy, Mom, apple pie; in other words, all the
traditional government propaganda. Do you think Soviet lads subjugated their
neighbors throughout the world because they thought the Soviet Union was an
EVIL empire? No, they were fighting for MOM, and whatever passes for apple
pie in Russia. Step back and examine the lies your government is handing
you, and ask yourself if they have the ring of truth. Do you want to be one
of the murderers in uniform who opened up on their fellow citizens at Kent
State? When you put on that uniform, you give up all autonomy, and become
nothing more than a weapon, to be used for whatever evil purposes the
scoundrels in government demand (and, if you look carefully, you will
discover that the only interests THEY serve are those of the big businesses
that own them.)
Finally, you have the hard-core psychopaths. These are the people who WANT
to kill. Murder, torture, rape; THESE are the American values upon which
THIS group is focused. The cause doesn't matter, they're after the thrill
that only warfare can provide.
Just remember: killing for George W. Bush, or for George H.W. Bush, or for
Lyndon B. Johnson, or for Richard M. Nixon is not the same as defending
yourself, your family, your friends, or your country. Don't be a dupe. Don't
Enlist!
Remember -- supporting the troops means supporting Bush aggression,
profiteering, and war crimes. Here's an idea: why not take those ribbons,
dip them in blood, and mail them to the White House?

ZZZZZZZ...ZZZZZZZ...ZZZZ...er...did someone say something stupid?
Yes, dip ribbons in blood, send them to the White House, then get a
lawyer because you will need one when the Secret Service comes to your
house and arrests you for sending threatening mail to the President.
Dumbass.
Hey douchebag, what makes you think you have a corner on the truth? I
don't like our guys getting shot any more than you do, but I'd go to
Iraq and serve my country and take a few iraqi terrorists out myself
if I wasn't too old to serve. I guess it's OK for Saddam to send cash
awards to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers as incentive for
them to blow bombs off and kill women and children riding buses and
eating pizza. I guess it's OK for Saddam to gas his own people using
the weapons of mass destruction that pussies like you claim he never
had. I guess it's OK for him to tell UN inspectors to fuck off until
he's had a chance to move all his WMD operations out of the country.
Saddam has ties to terrorism all over the world, and if not Al-qaeda
directly, with the PLO and Syria. Oh, and many of your pussy liberal
politicians were in complete agreement with Bush sending troops over
there and were quite happy to send troops over there to get shot at
and die until it was election time.
Ever think that maybe a lot of the people there think that Bush was
right to send them and they're glad to be serving their country, even
if they're not happy about getting shot at? Oh, I forgot...they
can't, because you said they can't. And I hope you rot in hell for
comparing our fighting men and women to Nazis. Go fuck yourself.
Fucking college student idiot. You make me puke.
I'm getting goddamn good and sick of hearing how evil we are by our
own fucking citizenry. There's not a more charitable country on earth
than the US, and it makes me sick that US citizens compare us to Nazis
and communists. You know what? You don't like it, the US
Constitution guarantees you the right to form a militia and take arms
against this "injustice." Just don't be surprised when you get shot
by a real American who's as disgusted by your bullshit as I am, you
fucking whining pussy!
I guess I'll be forever ostracized from alt.fan.devo for this rant,
but it's time you liberal de-evolutionists heard a little bit from a
Devo fan who's not scared to disagree with Jerry Casale.

[Phil]

Post by Boom

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It's getting a bit tiresome seeing one misguided American after
another with their cutsie little yellow or red-white-blue ribbons on
their outsized SUVs. Yeah, I guess it's the thing to do; maybe part of
that whole soccer-mom culture. Unfortunately, the only thing they
demonstrate is that the person behind the wheel is a clueless,
gullible, misguided, nitwit.
If foreign invaders landed on our soil, as we have done in Iraq, I
would be the first one to take up arms and repel them. (I suppose that
would make me an 'insurgent' by OUR logic.) This, and other aggressive
governments have always done their utmost to make it APPEAR as if
committing yourself to kill in feuds on distant shores that have
nothing to do with the welfare of the citizenry is somehow patriotic.
It is not.
Enlisting in the armed forces, in the absence of a real and impending
foreign threat, is no different that hiring yourself as a paid
assassin . . the only difference is, you're not getting paid enough.
But let's take a realistic look at exactly WHO joins up in an
all-volunteer army.
The first group are those who join (during peacetime) for the
benefits: to get an education, or because it seems a reasonable career
path. Consider carefully! Realize that you are gambling with your
"No, that is an atrocity." You put your abilities, including the
ability to kill, at the disposal of proven liars, psychopaths . . .
enemies of humanity. Do you think that every German soldier in World
War II who helped load Jews into cattle cars was a cold-blooded
killer? Most were poor kids, just like you, who got caught up in the
patriotic frenzy. Once you're in, you're IN. You lose the ability to
stop killing until they tell you so. This not only makes you less than
human, it makes you less than an animal, for even the animals retain
their freedom of self determination.
The second group are the simple minded, who fall for patriotic
entreaties about defending democracy, Mom, apple pie; in other words,
all the traditional government propaganda. Do you think Soviet lads
subjugated their neighbors throughout the world because they thought
the Soviet Union was an EVIL empire? No, they were fighting for MOM,
and whatever passes for apple pie in Russia. Step back and examine the
lies your government is handing you, and ask yourself if they have the
ring of truth. Do you want to be one of the murderers in uniform who
opened up on their fellow citizens at Kent State? When you put on that
uniform, you give up all autonomy, and become nothing more than a
weapon, to be used for whatever evil purposes the scoundrels in
government demand (and, if you look carefully, you will discover that
the only interests THEY serve are those of the big businesses that own
them.)
Finally, you have the hard-core psychopaths. These are the people who
WANT to kill. Murder, torture, rape; THESE are the American values
upon which THIS group is focused. The cause doesn't matter, they're
after the thrill that only warfare can provide.
Just remember: killing for George W. Bush, or for George H.W. Bush, or
for Lyndon B. Johnson, or for Richard M. Nixon is not the same as
defending yourself, your family, your friends, or your country. Don't
be a dupe. Don't Enlist!
Remember -- supporting the troops means supporting Bush aggression,
profiteering, and war crimes. Here's an idea: why not take those
ribbons, dip them in blood, and mail them to the White House?

ZZZZZZZ...ZZZZZZZ...ZZZZ...er...did someone say something stupid?
Yes, dip ribbons in blood, send them to the White House, then get a
lawyer because you will need one when the Secret Service comes to your
house and arrests you for sending threatening mail to the President.
Dumbass.
Hey douchebag, what makes you think you have a corner on the truth? I
don't like our guys getting shot any more than you do, but I'd go to
Iraq and serve my country and take a few iraqi terrorists out myself
if I wasn't too old to serve. I guess it's OK for Saddam to send cash
awards to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers as incentive for
them to blow bombs off and kill women and children riding buses and
eating pizza. I guess it's OK for Saddam to gas his own people using
the weapons of mass destruction that pussies like you claim he never
had. I guess it's OK for him to tell UN inspectors to fuck off until
he's had a chance to move all his WMD operations out of the country.
Saddam has ties to terrorism all over the world, and if not Al-qaeda
directly, with the PLO and Syria. Oh, and many of your pussy liberal
politicians were in complete agreement with Bush sending troops over
there and were quite happy to send troops over there to get shot at
and die until it was election time.
Ever think that maybe a lot of the people there think that Bush was
right to send them and they're glad to be serving their country, even
if they're not happy about getting shot at? Oh, I forgot...they
can't, because you said they can't. And I hope you rot in hell for
comparing our fighting men and women to Nazis. Go fuck yourself.
Fucking college student idiot. You make me puke.
I'm getting goddamn good and sick of hearing how evil we are by our
own fucking citizenry. There's not a more charitable country on earth
than the US, and it makes me sick that US citizens compare us to Nazis
and communists. You know what? You don't like it, the US
Constitution guarantees you the right to form a militia and take arms
against this "injustice." Just don't be surprised when you get shot
by a real American who's as disgusted by your bullshit as I am, you
fucking whining pussy!
I guess I'll be forever ostracized from alt.fan.devo for this rant,
but it's time you liberal de-evolutionists heard a little bit from a
Devo fan who's not scared to disagree with Jerry Casale.

Mate, you're as fucking tedious as who you're ranting at.