Devo 2.0 pt II

[g***@hotmail.com]

.....The idea is pure Devo. ( so long as we dont lose sight of what
Devo means,.. ) I had the same initial reaction to it as alot of us,
but i think thats due to the fact that its not meant for 40 year old
fans. Target audience is probably under 8 years old or so. 10 at the
most.

That said, the Devo song selection on it is still Devo anyway you
chop it up. And im a bit curious that they were not more cleaned up
than they were. Having some of the Devo library in DISNEY is a bit
of a coup if you ask me.


g

[jd]

Post by g***@hotmail.com
.....The idea is pure Devo. ( so long as we dont lose sight of what
Devo means,.. ) I had the same initial reaction to it as alot of us,
but i think thats due to the fact that its not meant for 40 year old
fans. Target audience is probably under 8 years old or so. 10 at the
most.
That said, the Devo song selection on it is still Devo anyway you
chop it up. And im a bit curious that they were not more cleaned up
than they were. Having some of the Devo library in DISNEY is a bit
of a coup if you ask me.

Having DEVO do a NIKE concert was too.

Jim

[N***@gmail.com]

Sorry, I'm sticking with my original assessment of DEVO2.0. I would
expect any smart child to reject it for its pandering nature and
obvious insincerity. Getting "dumbed-down" children's music on a Disney
label is no coup (apart from the fact that Gerry and Mark might be
pleased about receiving Disney bucks)

And I'm sorry, but I don't see how doing a NIKE concert accomplished
anything besides getting the boys a (deserved) paycheck and giving some
fans a chance for a DEVO show that might not have happened otherwise. I
really don't think DEVO inspired anyone to have deep thoughts about
Nike, consumerism, globalism, etc.

[Gary Childs]

Post by N***@gmail.com
Sorry, I'm sticking with my original assessment of DEVO2.0.

Yeah, but look at your original assessment. You said it had none of the "key
ingredients", such as: "analog synths", "Bob
1's guitar", "edgy recorded sound", and "the wit"). A quick look at the
credits (I spent under $12 for the CD/DVD set) reveals that recordings
feature Mini-Moog synthesizer, Bob (Bob 2) Mothersbaugh on guitar, Mark
Mothersbaugh on keyboards, Jerry Casale on bass, and Bob (Bob 2) Casale on
keyboards. The songs are well played, and are still witty, despite some
lyric changes.
You also said "Army Girls Gone Wild" sounded like Chumbawamba, despite the
fact that the song is based on the same type of bluesy riff that Devo has
been using since the Hardcore Devo years. Compare the "Army Girls" bassline
to the guitar riff from "I Need A Chick". It comes from the same blues
scale.

[N***@gmail.com]

Fair enough. I haven't seen the credits. So I'm surprised to learn I
was wrong about the MiniMoog and Bob1's involvement. So to be strictly
accurate, I should have said, "The production is so slick there's no
audible hint of Bob1's guitar sound or analog keyboards." (and again, I
spent 10 minutes watching the video clips--there's a possiblity those
things can be heard somewhere on the CD) Kids don't analyze music that
deeply, so I still think my main impression -- that kids will see it as
insincere pandering -- holds up.

"Army Girls Gone Wild" is a different argument. The musical analysis is
irrelevant. It's very poor satire-via-sledgehammer (hence the
Chumbwamba comparison) with a slick sound that has no appeal for me.

[Wayne Weedon]

Post by N***@gmail.com
things can be heard somewhere on the CD) Kids don't analyze music that
deeply, so I still think my main impression -- that kids will see it as
insincere pandering -- holds up.

Never met an 8 year old kid (Or older) who would know what "Insincere
pandering" was! They just go for the pretty superficial things in my
experience. So who's insincere;-)

Wayne...

[Plankton]

Not that they'd phrase it that way, I just sense it's something that
doesn't really speak to them. I could be wrong--I haven't tested it on
my neices and nephews.

Post by Wayne Weedon

Post by N***@gmail.com
things can be heard somewhere on the CD) Kids don't analyze music that
deeply, so I still think my main impression -- that kids will see it as
insincere pandering -- holds up.

Never met an 8 year old kid (Or older) who would know what "Insincere
pandering" was! They just go for the pretty superficial things in my
experience. So who's insincere;-)
Wayne...

[Plankton]

Ha, and on top of it all, I was signed in with my Hotmail name (which
I've almost never used on Usenet since I got a Gmail account)

--the usually "NaturalD"

[Pink Pussycat]

Post by g***@hotmail.com
.....The idea is pure Devo. ( so long as we dont lose sight of what
Devo means,.. )

The idea *is* pure Devo.
Disney sure seems like "Big Media" to me. ;-)

Post by g***@hotmail.com
I had the same initial reaction to it as alot of us,
but i think thats due to the fact that its not meant for 40 year old
fans. Target audience is probably under 8 years old or so. 10 at the
most.

I knew it was for kids all along, so I thought it was brilliant from
the start. ;-)

Post by g***@hotmail.com
That said, the Devo song selection on it is still Devo anyway you
chop it up. And im a bit curious that they were not more cleaned up
than they were. Having some of the Devo library in DISNEY is a bit
of a coup if you ask me.

Like someone else said in another thread, listen to GVC's recent
interview. He says a lot about Dev2.0.

I think I'll pick up the CD/DVD set while I'm out this weekend. :-)

~Pink

[N***@gmail.com]

Honest, I'm not trying to drag out an argument on this topic, but I did
just have a thought that hits at the essence of what I don't like about
DEV2.0. It's the whole idea of parents and kids getting in to the same
music together -- it's pretty much antithetical to all music that I've
appreciated in my life. Looking back to my kid-hood, it would have
seemed unnatural, and as an engaged 40-year-old who might have kids
within a few years, it's no more appealing. I don't expect my kids
will share my "adult" music tastes. I'll want them to discover music on
their own and with peers, the way I did (and the way I assume most of
you did) . And for when they're very small, like I've said, I'd give
them the Wiggles over DEV2.0. Better something with "natural" kid
appeal than trying to mold their tastes with a kiddie version of one of
my favorites.

[Todd Spango]

I don't see that as being a strong argument at all. What you're saying
is totally based on emotion. & is pretzel logic, if you think about
it; "I didn't listen to what my partents listened to, so what was good
enough for me is how it should be for my kids..." WTF??? I say, it's
out there. If kids can pick up on it, those versions of the songs are
subversive enough to induce actual thinking, which is the point. If
they'd rather listen to the horrible crap I was subjected to at work
today, then so be it.

Jeez, I hope I get old & die before this world goes to the hell it's
headed for. Maybe Dev2.0 can stave it off for another generation?

[Kevin Steele]

thought about it a bit, then said...

Post by N***@gmail.com
Honest, I'm not trying to drag out an argument on this topic, but I did
just have a thought that hits at the essence of what I don't like about
DEV2.0. It's the whole idea of parents and kids getting in to the same
music together -- it's pretty much antithetical to all music that I've
appreciated in my life.

You know what? This 40-year old and his 8 and 6-year old boys rock out
to Devo all the time together - they love it, I love it. Cool bonding
experience all around.

Guess what happened when I played Devo 2.0 for them? They said - "Hey,
we don't need that, we've got Devo 1.0!"

[Pink Pussycat]

Post by Kevin Steele
thought about it a bit, then said...

Post by N***@gmail.com
Honest, I'm not trying to drag out an argument on this topic, but I did
just have a thought that hits at the essence of what I don't like about
DEV2.0. It's the whole idea of parents and kids getting in to the same
music together -- it's pretty much antithetical to all music that I've
appreciated in my life.

You know what? This 40-year old and his 8 and 6-year old boys rock out
to Devo all the time together - they love it, I love it. Cool bonding
experience all around.
Guess what happened when I played Devo 2.0 for them? They said - "Hey,
we don't need that, we've got Devo 1.0!"

Cool. :-)

My Dad and I have bonded over music for years. I think it's a great
common ground for parents and kids.

Unfortunately for me, one of my cats doesn't like high pitched sounds.
"Mechanical Man" drives her nuts. ;-)

~Pink

[g***@hotmail.com]

true that, and with people becoming parents at an earlier age these
days, the gen gap is shrinking. Thats a nice story PP.


g

[Rev. Richard Skull]

<<true that, and with people becoming parents at an earlier age these
days, the gen gap is shrinking. Thats a nice story PP. >>

My Grand Mother was married at 17 and had two kids at 20. Hell, she had
three kids who were on Social Security with her!

If anything, I'd say the ones with education & $$ are the ones who are
putting off having children.

It poorer ones are the ones who seem to having families ealier.

[Pink Pussycat]

Post by Rev. Richard Skull
If anything, I'd say the ones with education & $$ are the ones who are
putting off having children.
It poorer ones are the ones who seem to having families ealier.

Rev. Skull, you've got a good point.
The more educated a woman is, the more she'll delay having kids or not
have them at all.

~Pink

[Plankton]

In response to both of you, that sounds very cool. I was picturing my
eventual kids hearing the music I like, and envisioning a rolled-eyes
such as I had for my parents' music (1945-64 pop music) starting at age
6 or so. Should have thought about my teenage niece and nephew who like
much of the late 70s music her father and I like. So never mind the
inevitably flawed argument-from-one-individual's experience. Should
have quit where I stood last time: sketchy marketing to kids, with
dubious motives

Post by Pink Pussycat

Post by Kevin Steele
thought about it a bit, then said...

Post by N***@gmail.com
Honest, I'm not trying to drag out an argument on this topic, but I did
just have a thought that hits at the essence of what I don't like about
DEV2.0. It's the whole idea of parents and kids getting in to the same
music together -- it's pretty much antithetical to all music that I've
appreciated in my life.

You know what? This 40-year old and his 8 and 6-year old boys rock out
to Devo all the time together - they love it, I love it. Cool bonding
experience all around.
Guess what happened when I played Devo 2.0 for them? They said - "Hey,
we don't need that, we've got Devo 1.0!"

Cool. :-)
My Dad and I have bonded over music for years. I think it's a great
common ground for parents and kids.
Unfortunately for me, one of my cats doesn't like high pitched sounds.
"Mechanical Man" drives her nuts. ;-)
~Pink

[Rev. Richard Skull]

<<Unfortunately for me, one of my cats doesn't like high pitched
sounds.
"Mechanical Man" drives her nuts. ;-) >>

Its the secret "mutat-O-Matic" Codex inserted into most DEVO songs.
Designed to make all species mutate on demand.

That why I've grown all these tenticles over the last 3 years.

One word of advice, make sure you are always on nthat cats good side!
When the Mutat-O-Matci kicks in full, she mioght end up giveing
Swatzenegger a serous run to get re-elected.

[Stiiv]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:28:49 -0500, Kevin Steele

Post by Kevin Steele
This 40-year old and his 8 and 6-year old boys rock out
to Devo all the time together - they love it, I love it. Cool bonding
experience all around.

My kids like the real DEVO as well, & I have many happy memories of
bouncing around the living room with them to the sounds of "Whip It",
"Smart Patrol" etc.

Stiiv
http://www.stiiv.com

[Paul Bruneau]

BTW, it's Dev2.0 not Devo 2.0

[Gary Childs]

Post by Paul Bruneau
BTW, it's Dev2.0 not Devo 2.0

The name of the group is Devo 2.0.
The name of the album is Dev2.0.
So referring to it either way is correct.

[Boom]

Post by Paul Bruneau
BTW, it's Dev2.0 not Devo 2.0

Don't nitpick. Even Jerry calls it Devo 2.0.

[Paul Bruneau]

Post by Boom

Post by Paul Bruneau
BTW, it's Dev2.0 not Devo 2.0

Don't nitpick. Even Jerry calls it Devo 2.0.

I don't know Jerry

[Boom]

Post by Paul Bruneau

Post by Boom

Post by Paul Bruneau
BTW, it's Dev2.0 not Devo 2.0

Don't nitpick. Even Jerry calls it Devo 2.0.

I don't know Jerry

Jerry = Gerald V. Casale, bassist and co-leader of Devo.

[Paul Bruneau]

I know who Jerry is, I just don't know him, therefore I have no idea
what he calls this little project. I only know what I saw on the CD box.

[Tunguska]

But like maybe they need a surgeon generals warning on the label that
it may induce uncontrollable projectile vomiting in listeners over the
age of 40.