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karl strikes back
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Jøhnny Fävòrítê (it means "hypnotist collector")
2006-08-15 08:24:57 UTC
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hello, devo fans! i don’t really read this group anymore, but i’ve got a
story to tell, and i can’t think of any place better to put it, for reasons
that will become evident as i go along, i hope.

many of you know who karl bartos is, of course. he was one of the two minor
members of kraftwerk for fifteen years, both of which finally got fed up and
quit about 1990, because the two major members were being primadonnas.

karl’s post-kraftwerk band was called elektric music. i heard about the
“group’s” first album right here in this newsgroup, many years ago. it’s
called ‘esperanto,’ released in 1993. i don’t merely *like* it, i’d say that
the title track is probably my favorite electronic track of all time. my
itunes library says i’ve listened to that one track over 200 times, and that’s
not counting how often i played the cd, before i moved my music collection to
a hard disk.

i suppose ‘esperanto’ didn’t sell, because karl’s next record is called simply
‘electric music,’ from 1998. karl ditched the ‘edgy’ spelling of his band’s
name, and took all the interesting stuff out of the music as well, in an
apparent sell-out attempt. i consider that record all but unlistenable.

in browsing around the intarwebz, i discovered that karl has a third record
that i didn’t know about, from 2003. he has ditched the pretense of a band
altogether, and released it under his own name. it’s called ‘communication.’
that’s what i’m here to write about today, friends. i had to pay an arm and a
leg for it, as a japanese import with two remix tracks, which was apparently
delivered via garbage scow. it took four weeks to arrive.

i was really looking forward to this. it didn’t quite live up to my
expectations, but almost. it’s not as good as ‘esperanto,’ but not anywhere
near as unlistenable as ‘electric music.’

if you’re a fan of kraftwerk, you’ll like this record. it’s about 85 percent
in the same mold as your average kraftwerk tunes from the eighties, right down
to using the exact same raspy “electronic singer” featured prominently on so
many kraftwerk tracks. wolfgang flür’s post-kraftwerk band is called yamo,
and he diverged from the kraftwerk sound significantly, which makes it all the
more apparent how close karl has stayed to the sound of his old band.

i think karl is a genious technically. his records are always competent and
polished. every track feels complete and whole, like an egg. alas, he’s
never been very creative, and by the third record, he is completely out of
ideas. the album name, the track names (“15 minutes of fame,” “electronic
apeman,” “the camera”), and the lyrics are all tired, sad clichés.

music lyrics always seem more wise and insightful than they really are, due to
the delivery mechanism, which has already gotten you into a heightened
emotional state before you start paying attention to the words. alas, that
bit of “bounce” doesn’t seem to help karl at all. i’ve always felt like he
doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. sample lyric: “we expect the
future to be like a wave.” OH REALLY??! and karl’s voice is breathy and
thin, which might explain why he leans so heavily on the kraftwerk-style
“electronic singer.” karl is such an expert at knob-twiddling and production.
if only he’d work with a vocalist with a good set of pipes, and with a
lyricist who knows what she’s talking about, he could be making some really
amazing music again.

but really, that’s all just nit-picking. karl has already ascended to the
hall of the immortals as far as i’m concerned. this is music that hits me
right where i live, and i’ll listen to it over and over again. i bet there
are at least a few of you reading this who will feel the same way.

further reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Bartos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Flür
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JonYo
2006-08-15 11:09:14 UTC
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Johnny Favorite -

I also have that first album, Esperanto, and I've always liked it,
although I don't spin it too often these days. The title track doesn't
do much for me to be honest. My favorite was definitely Lifestyle, with
all the chopped up robot vocals flailing around. The track Overdrive is
fun too, in an elctro headbanging way with its relentless overdriven
telephone tones. I think the singer for some of Esperanto was the guy
from OMD, Andy McCluskey, right? Wait, let me pull out the CD...yeah,
Andy McCluskey. I'm glad to know that the 2nd self titled album sucked
before I tracked down some expensive import to get a hold of it! Now
I'll just skip that one. I've always wanted to hear Bartos'
Communication, but I've never been able to find a copy. I have the
first Yamo record, and reeeeally don't like it. Bored me to tears.
But...I had to at least check it out like Elktric Music, being the
superhuge Kraftwerk fan that I am.

- JonYo


In article <***@remy.hsd1.tn.comcast.net>,
JÞhnny FÀvòrítê (it means "hypnotist collector")
hello, devo fans! i don’t really read this group anymore, but i’ve got a
story to tell, and i can’t think of any place better to put it, for reasons
that will become evident as i go along, i hope.
many of you know who karl bartos is, of course. he was one of the two minor
members of kraftwerk for fifteen years, both of which finally got fed up and
quit about 1990, because the two major members were being primadonnas.
karl’s post-kraftwerk band was called elektric music. i heard about the
“group’s” first album right here in this newsgroup, many years ago. it’s
called ‘esperanto,’ released in 1993. i don’t merely *like* it, i’d say that
the title track is probably my favorite electronic track of all time. my
itunes library says i’ve listened to that one track over 200 times, and that’s
not counting how often i played the cd, before i moved my music collection to
a hard disk.
i suppose ‘esperanto’ didn’t sell, because karl’s next record is called simply
‘electric music,’ from 1998. karl ditched the ‘edgy’ spelling of his band’s
name, and took all the interesting stuff out of the music as well, in an
apparent sell-out attempt. i consider that record all but unlistenable.
in browsing around the intarwebz, i discovered that karl has a third record
that i didn’t know about, from 2003. he has ditched the pretense of a band
altogether, and released it under his own name. it’s called ‘communication.’
that’s what i’m here to write about today, friends. i had to pay an arm and a
leg for it, as a japanese import with two remix tracks, which was apparently
delivered via garbage scow. it took four weeks to arrive.
i was really looking forward to this. it didn’t quite live up to my
expectations, but almost. it’s not as good as ‘esperanto,’ but not anywhere
near as unlistenable as ‘electric music.’
if you’re a fan of kraftwerk, you’ll like this record. it’s about 85 percent
in the same mold as your average kraftwerk tunes from the eighties, right down
to using the exact same raspy “electronic singer” featured prominently on so
many kraftwerk tracks. wolfgang flÃŒr’s post-kraftwerk band is called yamo,
and he diverged from the kraftwerk sound significantly, which makes it all the
more apparent how close karl has stayed to the sound of his old band.
i think karl is a genious technically. his records are always competent and
polished. every track feels complete and whole, like an egg. alas, he’s
never been very creative, and by the third record, he is completely out of
ideas. the album name, the track names (“15 minutes of fame,” “electronic
apeman,” “the camera”), and the lyrics are all tired, sad clichés.
music lyrics always seem more wise and insightful than they really are, due to
the delivery mechanism, which has already gotten you into a heightened
emotional state before you start paying attention to the words. alas, that
bit of “bounce” doesn’t seem to help karl at all. i’ve always felt like he
doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. sample lyric: “we expect the
future to be like a wave.” OH REALLY??! and karl’s voice is breathy and
thin, which might explain why he leans so heavily on the kraftwerk-style
“electronic singer.” karl is such an expert at knob-twiddling and production.
if only he’d work with a vocalist with a good set of pipes, and with a
lyricist who knows what she’s talking about, he could be making some really
amazing music again.
but really, that’s all just nit-picking. karl has already ascended to the
hall of the immortals as far as i’m concerned. this is music that hits me
right where i live, and i’ll listen to it over and over again. i bet there
are at least a few of you reading this who will feel the same way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Bartos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_FlÃŒr
Fr▲nk P▲nuccأ‬
2006-08-15 16:12:08 UTC
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Post by Jøhnny Fävòrítê (it means "hypnotist collector")
many of you know who karl bartos is
Hm. ESPERANTO and COMMUNICATION pop up in an emule search, including
versions in lossless APE, but not the brain-eating kind.

I thought the KRAFTWERK bots quietly dissolved into history. Last time
I entertained notions of their exixtence was way back in 1991, the dark
days in which music still costed moneys and came on plastic discs.
Then, I bought Kraftwerk's THE MIX. I think I liked it but I forget
really.



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Jøhnny Fävòrítê (it means "hypnotist collector")
2006-08-18 01:38:04 UTC
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Post by Fr▲nk P▲nuccأ‬
I thought the KRAFTWERK bots quietly dissolved into history.
not only have they not dissolved into history, but they’ve released new
records recently, including a two-disc live album.
Post by Fr▲nk P▲nuccأ‬
Last time I entertained notions of their exixtence was way back in 1991,
the dark days in which music still costed moneys and came on plastic discs.
it still does cost moneys, pal. think carefully about what you’re doing
there. do you really want to live in a world where artists don’t get paid for
albums, so they have no choice but to tour all the time? seems like a world
that would be populated by nothing but big-headed egotistical musicians, with
the thoughtful introverts marginalized nearly out of existence, if you ask me.
Gary Childs
2006-08-18 02:08:35 UTC
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not only have they not dissolved into history, but they've released new
records recently, including a two-disc live album.
I saw them in concert last year in NYC. Ralf, Florian, and......these two
other guys....didn't catch their names.
Great show.
JMiller
2006-08-18 03:45:24 UTC
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On 18 Aug 2006 01:38:04 GMT, Jøhnny Fävòrítê (it means "hypnotist
Post by Fr▲nk P▲nuccأ‬
I thought the KRAFTWERK bots quietly dissolved into history.
not only have they not dissolved into history, but they’ve released new
records recently, including a two-disc live album.
Post by Fr▲nk P▲nuccأ‬
Last time I entertained notions of their exixtence was way back in 1991,
the dark days in which music still costed moneys and came on plastic discs.
it still does cost moneys, pal. think carefully about what you’re doing
there. do you really want to live in a world where artists don’t get paid for
albums, so they have no choice but to tour all the time? seems like a world
that would be populated by nothing but big-headed egotistical musicians, with
the thoughtful introverts marginalized nearly out of existence, if you ask me.
And that's different from the state of the music business throughout
history how?
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Jøhnny Fävòrítê (it means "hypnotist collector")
2006-08-18 01:38:04 UTC
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I have the first Yamo record, and reeeeally don't like it.
no? i thought it was okay.

does it count that i am predisposed to like anything wolfgang flür does,
because i liked his book? he really tore into ralf and florian. given the
public persona they display, i didn’t have any trouble believing him, either.
i’m not surprised they sued wolfgang over it. i wonder how that stuff turned
out.
Gary Childs
2006-08-18 02:11:48 UTC
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Post by Jøhnny Fävòrítê (it means "hypnotist collector")
because i liked his book? he really tore into ralf and florian. given the
public persona they display, i didn't have any trouble believing him,
either.
I have that book also. It's not too hard to imagine that Ralf and Florian
are control freaks. Karl and Wolfgang deserve to vent about it.
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